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 Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!

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MessageSujet: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Sam 19 Nov - 1:18

Hey there, bonjour,

I just registered here but I've been reading for quite a while.
I recently bought an original Weissenborn Style 2 (probably 1928). I would like to share some pictures but because I just registered, I am not allowed to post any links...maybe the administrator can give me permission...

The Weiss has a very warm sound and as you can see it is in superb condition. I also got the original case which I found out is a "Geib and Schaefer" case, dating around the late 1920s. I guess the guitar spent most of its time in the case, thats why it's in such a good condition.

When I bought it, I had the opportunity to try some other Weissenborns but I liked this one the best. The body is actually a little thinner than the ones of the other Weissenborns I've tried. I had never seen this before. Has anyone of you seen Weissenborns with a thin body?

All the best-

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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Lun 21 Nov - 19:07

Great... I wait for the pictures as soon as possible...
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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Sam 26 Nov - 0:54

Hey, here are some pictures of my Style 2 Smile


http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=c1a23e-1321653733.jpg
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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Dim 27 Nov - 23:27

Very good. Beautiful!
I'm also surprised by the fretboard's shape around the sound hole. It looks more like a hilo...
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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Lun 28 Nov - 3:45

hi,

fantastic guitar you got there.
i've already seen (on the web) thin weissenborn , even thinner than yours. i remember that the first weissenborns were very thin.
could not remember were i've seen that.

there some here but with solid neck, but i'm sure that there was hollow neck weiss with that size.
http://www.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MvTppJZNyXw/TFfzfq4IcpI/AAAAAAAAAOM/l2qzORHUXRE/s1600/Solid%2BNeck.jpg&imgrefurl=http://tonyfrancisinstruments.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html&usg=__QdaIIGVnEh3y06TjUUnAevFtA1I=&h=554&w=654&sz=53&hl=fr&start=4&zoom=1&tbnid=2o0Xj7mwtenAWM:&tbnh=117&tbnw=138&ei=BdnSTuHpCYaFhQeQ5rHTAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfirst%2Bweissenborn%2Bmade%2Bthin%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dfr%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1
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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Lun 28 Nov - 13:57

I got the book "Chris J. Knutsen - From Harp guitars to the new hawaiian family" and it also says that some of the early weissenborns dont have such a deep body.
I measured it again and it's around 2.9 inches (7.4cm). But from all other indications (bridge size, inlays, finish etc) it cannot be an early weissenborn. I think it's
more around 1930 as in the book it says that from 1928 the Weissenborns were distributed nationally by a company in Chicago and my hardcase actually is made
by a company in chicago. Its very interesting to find out more about that guitar. Last night I found pencil markings inside at the bottom saying "B2" and below there
was a "6". So it must be the indication for the (B)ottom part of a Style 2, and the 6th batch.

Vous pouvez aussi écrire en francais, je comprends un peux, mais je ne parle pas très bien... Smile

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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Jeu 1 Déc - 16:26

You're right it's a late 20's model as we can see from the bridge and the bridge pins pattern ( but a picture taken in front would be better to be sure though...)
I'm not aware of some Geib cases for weissenborn but anyway most fit in the martin shape ( just need to remove the box under the neck o keep it if it's a kona)
Pictures of the case would be interesting. Those cases are excellent.
Concerning the number 6 you can see inside I think, it's more likely a "G", meaning that your guitar is naturally tuned or handcrafted in G, the most common tuning in hawaiian guitar style.
It could be a batch but i doubt as I've seen some with F# , D, B, G etc... It's probably written on the top too, under the fingerboard ( you'll need a mirror):
T2 G: Top style 2 tuned in G

It's funny you talked about early one cause i just got one. It features a spruce top and is only 5 cm thick.
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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Jeu 1 Déc - 16:29

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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Jeu 1 Déc - 22:54

Hey bernott,

beautiful weiss you got there. and yes, it is thinner than mine Smile
here is a picture of the bridge pin pattern, which is pretty straight:

http://www.bilder-hochladen.tv/pic/5RGpKCyD/

The bridge has a length of 14cm (5.5 inches).

As far as the number "6" is concerned, I checked it again and it really seems like a "6" not a "G". In the book I mention above, it is mentioned several times that the number below the Bx is the batch number. They also mention many examples of different numbers. Maybe we are both right and Weissenborn used both ways Smile
I'm sure there is also something written under the top but I dont have a mirror at the moment so I can't check...

Here is a picture of the Geib/Schaefer case:

http://www.bilder-hochladen.tv/pic/p1MCG2FA/




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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Sam 3 Déc - 16:09

Yes you're right it can be the batch number. I know this book but it doesn't mention the letters I've seen sometimes.

B looks like 8 and G looks like 6, but when it's F# no doubt....same for 7, 11 no doubt.

In fact there are different system as the one I encountered in my teardrop, so we are probably both right.
It has B1 11 written on the back ( back of a style one, eleventh in the bath AND some very strange sign on top...maybe a T in capital letters )

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Also a serial number is impressed on the top of the headstock and written next to the burnt logo inside, and of course to make it easier, there are not the same 766 and #147...


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and the guitar itself:

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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Sam 3 Déc - 16:12

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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Sam 3 Déc - 16:28


Superbe la teardrop originale, pas courant en plus. Collection privée ou instrument en vente ?
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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Lun 12 Déc - 23:37

Merci, oui c'est assez chouette comme gratte, et je la garde pour ma pomme.
A force de trouver des grattes pour les autres, il fallait bien que j'en trouve une pour moi...
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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Mar 13 Déc - 0:35

Citation :
il fallait bien que j'en trouve une pour moi...

Il me sembe que tu as déjà une kona de folie dans ton escarcelle !!! sourire
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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Mar 13 Déc - 11:17

bernott a écrit:
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Great pictures Bernott. It is my understanding these markings are not numbers but refer to the layout of the plates during construction, and according to my farther are traditional craftsmans markings. This is the "top/inside", and there is also a fish shaped symbol that refers to "back/inside" - typically just below the soundhole on the treble side of the lower bout.



In George (Tom) Noes wonderful book, he refers to the pencil marks indicating the perfect matching of the Koa wood plates. Curiously, these have always appeared to be penciled on post thickness sanding - a detail I am still trying to figure out!



Stamped numbers are rare and its hard to say if they are factory original - perhaps added by Stadlmair or Tonk Bros as part of distribution.

This Teardrop belongs to a friend and is just one serial number away from your instrument!



Another later Teardrop, replaced tuners:



Style 1 - this guitar had no other stamp at the peghead:



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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Jeu 5 Avr - 15:22

Completely forgot that topic, sorry.

So you know the sister of my teardrop. That's cool. Not so many around.

Yes you're right I guess concerning the impressed numbers.
When those instruments arrived in the shop they were brand new. They must had to be really careful to do such an operation...

Definitely no fish sign in mine, but once again they are all different..

Concerning " the pencil marks indicating the perfect matching of the Koa wood plates" this is really strange indeed...
If you have any idea I'd be interested to know.

@nero: oui je la récupère bientôt après une longue absence...
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MessageSujet: Re: Original Weissenborn Style 2- now with pictures!   Jeu 12 Juil - 12:44

I love old gear, pure magic. This Weiss is a perfect example .....bravo
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